[What in further we believe is that when the Buddha was born in 623 B.C. neither Nepal India Nepal
March 31, 2010]
The David Grubin Productions,
Many thanks for making a documentary film on the Buddha, the Prince of Peace and Compassion. We would particularly like to thank the award-wining filmmaker David Grubin for making a film on such a matter of profound significance. We also understand the film is being aired by PBS - Public Broadcasting Service - on April 7th, 2010 with its nearly 360 member stations all over the United States of America
We also watched the posted preview trailer of the film which starts with a fairly nice background how the Buddha was conceived by his mother. There we heard a narrator as saying, 'the Buddha was born in a small Indian kingdom'.
Our attention has been drawn to this narration. Because the Lumbini archaeological finds, particularly the Lumbini Ashokan pillar inscription does not support that the Buddha was born in an Indian kingdom. No literature on the Buddha says he was born in India
What in further we believe is that when the Buddha was born in 623 B.C. neither Nepal India Nepal
Thus we are very much concerned about the Buddha being called an Indian. It would have been much better had the narrator said the Buddha was born in present Nepal
Currently, a kind of arm twisting is going on, in between the people of Nepal India province India
Such kinds of provocative activities from the part of India
We would therefore request you to correct the information before the documentary is aired as scheduled on April the 7th this year.
Sincerely Yours,
The Himalayan Voice Team
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19) Kusinagara was a cosmopolitan center so were Kapilvastu, Ramgram and Vaisali etc.
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From: Sudarshan Raj Tiwari
Date: Thu,Apr 15, 2010 at 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: "Siddartha Gautam was born in Lumbini but Buddha was born inIndia
To: ANIK RASI
Cc: Himalayan Voice
From: Sudarshan Raj Tiwari
Date: Thu,
Subject: Re: "Siddartha Gautam was born in Lumbini but Buddha was born in
To: ANIK RASI
Cc: Himalayan Voice
Dear Mr Anik Rasi
Yes, but I was only saying that the eight republics were about Sakya state not inside it. Just as Nepal India
I think Moriya, Shakya, Koliya, Malla and Lichchhavi stretched east west making the boundaries with Nepal Indus to take over the Gangatic plains at the heels of the breakdown of the Mauryan empire) were strong enough to overpower the rulers in Nepal Nepal
I feel nice to be discussing bits of pasts of places and people and learning more about ourselves in the process.
Thanks
Sudarshan Raj Tiwari
18) At capital city of Malla
From: ANIK RASI
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: "Siddartha Gautam was born in Lumbini but Buddha was born in India
Dear Mr. Tiwari,
The eight republics were localized at Kusinagara - capital city of Malla
17) India
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:40 PM , Sudarshan Raj Tiwari <srtiwari@ioe.edu.np> wrote:
Dear all,
I would not agree with the suggestion that word India Pakistan Nepal India
It was only by the time of Ashok's grandfather Chandragupta that the Moriya state was expanded to the Indus and at that time when Kautilya wrote his Arthashastra he stated that Nepal India
Sudarshan Raj Tiwari
16) So, what is the big deal whether the Budha was born here or there?
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:41 AM , Ram B Chherti
For an enlightened mystic the world takes a different perspective and meaning. These enlightened beings are not bound by the narrow boundary of man made geography. Only those who experience it directly know what is like. Many parables for the inquisitive souls.
Uninterested intellectual curiosity is the life blood of real civilization as one scholar put it after putting it to the test. Reading thousands of books wouldn't get anyone anywhere. One has to experience the thrill of mountain climbing; similarly one has to experience the bliss of being Budha as every one is potentially one. So, what is the big deal whether the Budha was born here or there ?
Thank you.
R. B. Chhetri
15) In Buddha’s time Pakistan Bangladesh Nepal India
From: Premendra Priyadarshi
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:05 AM
To: himalayanvoice@gmail.com ;
Subject: RE: "Siddartha Gautam was born in Lumbini but Buddha was born in India
Moreover, in Buddha's days, Nepal India Pakistan Bangladesh Nepal India
14) So Buddha was born in India: South Africa
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 23:34:23 -0400
Subject: "Siddartha Gautam was born in Lumbini but Buddha was born inIndia
From: himalayanvoice@gmail.com
Dear All,
Subject: "Siddartha Gautam was born in Lumbini but Buddha was born in
From: himalayanvoice@gmail.com
Dear All,
Prof. Sudarshan K Tiwari writes, below "one noted Indian politician making a speech (in Lumbini of all places and in presence of Nepal India India Transvaal train, (in South Africa
We hope the Indian Kapilvastu Forum people will have sometime to read a paper by Tara N. Mishra in reply to their recent post on Kapilvastu.
Thank you and have a nice weekend everybody,
The Himalayan Voice Team
http://thehimalayanvoice.blogspot.com/
Comments:
13) Sincere thanks for the services you have extended to the country
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From: Dibakar Pant
Date: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:11 AM
Subject: RE: "Siddartha Gautam was born in Lumbini but Buddha was born in India
To: himalayanvoice@gmail.com
The Himalayan Voice Team,
It's indeed, a very appreciative effort of your team to disseminate every right information about Nepal
I wish you all the best.
Happy and prosperous New Year,2067 B.S.
Dibakar Pant,
Retired Secretary , Government of Nepal
Currently in United States of America
12) Yes,The Buddha got enlightened in India
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From: Ram B Chherti
Date: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:44 PM
Subject: RE: "Siddartha Gautam was born in Lumbini but Buddha was born in India
There are far more important issues facing the humanity as never before than engaging full time in academic discussion of this type. Yes, in a way, he was right because the Buddha got enlightened in India
Thank you,
R B Chhetri
11) I am proud of you, we continue working together in other national issues also
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From: Durga Pokhrel
Date: Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: PBS Aired Buddha Documentary Saying Buddha Born in Nepal
To: himalayanvoice
The Himalayan Voice Team, very well done by raising this important issue and getting responses from the concerned institutions I am proud of you, we continue working together in other national issues also,
Durga Pokhrel
10) No point sitting in argument with such people
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:05 AM , Sudarshan Raj Tiwari wrote:
Dear Sirs,
Buddha was born in Lumbini, not according to sacred tales alone. No less an authority as Emperor Ashok has left a note about the truth, may be for posterity of the unkind type that he expected would arise in the following empires.
Also Lumbini is the only one of the four key sites associated with Buddha which has been archaeologically investigated and the marker stone, the venerated spot of birth, is exposed for all to see.
I had heard one noted Indian politician making a speech (in Lumbini of all places and in presence of Nepal India
They would understand the foolishness in the argument if a South African said that Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi was born in India Transvaal train, (in South Africa
Sudarshan Raj Tiwari,
Professor of Architecture,
9) Documentary with mixed information
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:37 PM , The Himalayan Voice wrote:
Dear All,
The PBS in USA Himalayas , is one of the world's holiest places, Lumbini where, according to the sacred tales, the Buddha was born."
How the viewers took the information that is another question but unnecessary now! Anyway, many thanks to David Grubin Productions, PBS, National Endowment for Humanity' and "The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation for producing such a documentary of profound significance.
Sincerely yours,
The Himalayan Voice Team
8) Produced in Boston
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:42 PM , WGBH Boston wrote:
The Himalayan Voice Team:
Thank you for your interest in WGBH. We always appreciate hearing from our viewers, listeners, and Web site visitors.
Thank you for e-mail regarding "Buddha" "Your comments have been forwarded to our program director and the producers of the program for careful review and consideration.
It is an important part of the process of programming for public television and radio to benefit from the response of viewers and listeners. And we appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts with us.
We hope you continue to enjoy the programs on WGBH - produced in Boston
Sincerely,
WGBH Member Development and Services
WGBH enriches people's lives through programs and services that educate, inspire, and entertain, fostering citizenship and culture, the joy of learning, and the power of diverse perspectives.
7) PBS Airing Wrong Information on the Buddha ?
Dear David Grubin Productions,
The preview trailer still says the same thing implying that the Buddha was born in India
You have written below something different but the preview trailer still says the same thing. This is the clash of information in your documentary . Viewers will get bewildered surely.
Could you please do something about it.
Thank you,
The Himalayan Voice Team
6) We did not produce the program
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From: Viewer Services
Date: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: PBS AIRING WRONG INFORMATION ON THE BUDDHA APRIL 7, 2010 ?
To: The Himalayan Voice
Hello,
Thank you for contacting us at New Hampshire Public Television. We value your opinion about the ‘Buddha’ which will be shown later in April on NHPTV. Since we did not produce the program, you should send your comments directly to the filmmaker, David Grubin, at: http://www.pbs.org/thebuddha/contact/
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5) The movie producer certainly deserves appreciation for his work on the Buddha
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From: Ram Babu Dhakal
Date: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: PBS AIRING WRONG INFORMATION ON THE BUDDHA APRIL 7, 2010 ?
Dear friends,
The movie producer certainly deserves appreciation for his work on the Buddha, who is well regarded as the Light of Asia and Apostle of World Peace.
The teachings of Buddha 0n: truth, peace, non-violence, and compassion have become more relevant today than ever before. Even millions of Buddhist devotees and Hindus and others consider Buddha as incarnation of God.
I believe the film producer doesn't want to hurt this segment of human society. As far as the birthplace of Lord Buddha is concerned, the fact speaks itself of the history, through the Ashok Pillar and the Chinese pilgrim Huen Sang and Fa - Hien's writings, the record of UNESCO designating Lumbini as a world cultural heritage and the United Nations' International Committee for Development of Lumbini etc. The question is, “where is Lumbini located?’ Anyone who would like to visit this place would, no doubt, find it in present Nepal
Nepalese people are of proud of the fact that Nepal
I hope this will be a little help the movie producer in finding the true fact.
Ram Babu Dhakal
4) Looks like PBS is also airing the voice come from big some shark
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From: Ram Upadhayay
Date: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: PBS AIRING WRONG INFORMATION ON THE BUDDHA APRIL 7, 2010 ?
Dear friend,
Looks like PBS is also airing the voice come from some big shark. It does not look good for a reputed media organization like PBS to air this type of program. It looks like there are some artists who accept, without checking, everything for a telecast whatsoever. It seems it does not matter for them whether it is authentic or false.
We need to raise voice against of these kinds of activities.
Thank you.
Ram Prasad Upadhayay
3) Enough is enough.
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From: Ram B Chherti
Date: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:47 AM
Subject: RE: PBS AIRING WRONG INFORMATION ON THE BUDDHA APRIL 7, 2010 ?
Many thanks for this. Enough is enough. We will take it up with the highest authority in India
R B Chhetri
2) Not the Sacred Tale but Historical Evidence:
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From: Dr Shanker Thapa
Date: Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: Not the Sacred Tale but Historical evidence
To: David Grubin Productions
Cc: The Himalayan Voice
The David Grubin Productions,
Dear Sir,
I am very much concerned with the notification I received from the Himalayan Voice Team, Cambridge, Massachusetts, about your documentary film on the Buddha, the Prince of Peace and Compassion. Thanks for your response on the issue to the Himalayan team. However, I have some points to make you clear on what you replied to them. You have mentioned – 'In Southern Nepal Himalayas , is one of the world's holiest places, Lumbini where, according to the sacred tales, the Buddha was born.'
The phrase 'Sacred Tales' has seriously drawn my attention. It is not the sacred tale, there is the Ashokan Pillar with an inscription in front of the Maya Devi temple as the concrete historical evidence which attests the fact that the Historical Buddha was born in Lumbini. And Lumbini is now situated in Rupandehi district in Southern Nepal . If you insist on the phrase 'Sacred Tales', it will be an unjust practice in the interpretation of history.
My concern to write you is to draw your attention and do justice in history. Please pay attention on it before your air the documentary.
Thank you very much.
Prof. Shanker Thapa
Dean
Bhrikuti Mandap, Kathmandu
1) Reply from David Grubin Productions:
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From: David Grubin Productions
Date: Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: ON THE BUDDHA AGAIN: AN OPEN LETTER TO DAVID GRUBIN PRODUCTIONS
To: The Himalayan Voice
Dear Himalayan Voice Team:
Thank you for letting us know your concerns. I think you will be happy to know that the film explicitly states:
In Southern Nepal , at the foot of the Himalayas , is one of the world's holiest places, Lumbini where, according to the sacred tales, the Buddha was born.
As you will see, the film has beautiful images of Lumbini and the pilgrims who travel there.
We hope that you will enjoy the documentary.
Sincerely yours,
David Grubin Productions.
