[Even when just two scholars speak or correspond in Sanskrit, they start arguing about the exact meanings and correctness of the words they use! They cannot easily agree who is speaking or writing correctly in Sanskrit. Both of them find mistakes in each other's use of Sanskrit words and phrases. If Sanskrit can make even scholars argue frequently, how can the language be suitable for the common people? All the common people would be arguing endlessly if they could just have the time and the ability to learn Sanskrit.]
By Ashok T. Jaisinghani
There are many misconceptions about Sanskrit, which have been spread by the Brahmins for many centuries. Such wrong beliefs deserve to be exposed. We should accept the fact that Sanskrit is not the oldest language of the world, as the Brahmins wrongly want us to believe. Sanskrit is not the "Mother of all Languages." The language of the Sindhu or Indus Valley Civilization has still not been deciphered, precisely because it had existed much before the emergence of Sanskrit. The language of Sindhu Valley Civilization could not have vanished if it had been derived from Sanskrit.
We should also know that Sanskrit is not a perfect language, which is proved by the fact that the vast majority of Indians cannot learn it. Because of its imperfections, Sanskrit has never been the language of the common people of India at any time in all the History.
Sanskrit is a language that had not developed naturally. It was artificially created by a few persons mainly for the use and for the exclusive interests of some Brahmins. According to the intentions of its creators, Sanskrit was never meant to be a language of the common people of India, as it was created for the benefit of a few scholars, particularly from the Brahmin caste, who could spare a lot of their idle time to learn it.
It is a well-known fact that the ancient Brahmins never wanted the common people to learn Sanskrit. They even made stringent laws which were used to severely punish any person from the lower castes who dared to learn Sanskrit and read the Vedas. It is not surprising that the Brahmin fellows, who created Sanskrit, also created the extremely evil caste system, which has set the Hindus of different castes and sub-castes at war with one another for ever.
Sanskrit is meant to Confuse People
A word in Sanskrit can have 100 different meanings, and there can be a 100 different words which can be nouns for the same object. There are some Brahmins who boastfully state that a single Hindu God can have a thousand names! So it is very difficult to know the exact meanings of the words in Sanskrit. Another problem is caused by the sandhis, or the compound words of Sanskrit, which can be split in different ways to drastically change the meaning of any phrase and any sentence. Because it was deliberately made a difficult language to learn, even the few Brahmins and other scholars, who know it, cannot speak fluently in Sanskrit. These same scholars can easily learn and speak fluently in many other languages of India.
Even when just two scholars speak or correspond in Sanskrit, they start arguing about the exact meanings and correctness of the words they use! They cannot easily agree who is speaking or writing correctly in Sanskrit. Both of them find mistakes in each other's use of Sanskrit words and phrases. If Sanskrit can make even scholars argue frequently, how can the language be suitable for the common people? All the common people would be arguing endlessly if they could just have the time and the ability to learn Sanskrit.
How can more persons learn Sanskrit easily when it was deliberately created by the Brahmins to confuse the common people who try to learn it? It is extremely difficult for the common people to learn the language. Let us accept the reality that Sanskrit is an imperfect language, due to which it is not suitable for being taught to the majority of the people.
Sanskrit must have been found most suitable by the Brahmins for writing books on Astrology, which is the pseudo-science that the fortune-tellers use for deceiving and confusing the common people.
Sindhu Valley Language & Aryans
The Devanagri script of Sanskrit is of quite recent origin. The Devanagri script had been developed by borrowing and modifying many of the alphabets of scripts of some older Indian languages, which also proves that Sanskrit is not older than all the Indian languages. Some Indian languages are much older than Sanskrit, due to which many words too have been borrowed by Sanskrit from these languages.
If all the languages were derived from Sanskrit, as many of the Brahmins wrongly claim, why is it not possible to decipher the script of the Sindhu Valley Civilization? Why are there no references in Sanskrit books, which can help in reading the inscriptions of the Sindhu Valley Civilization?
As the Aryans had come to India from Iran, or Persia as it was also known in ancient times, the Sindhu Valley Civilization too should have been more connected with the Persian Civilization than with the civilizations of other parts of the Indian sub-continent. We should consider the fact that ancient Sindh and Panjab were parts of the Persian Empire for some time. That must be the reason due to which the Sindhu Valley people also called themselves as Aryans, though the Iranians of later periods started calling them as Hindus.
The research scholars in linguistics should try to decipher the Sindhu Valley script with the help of the scripts and writings of ancient Iran. We should therefore get in touch with the scholars who have been doing research on the ancient languages of Iran like Avestan, Old Persian Cuneiform, etc. The books written in ancient Persian languages are likely to have some references to the Sindhu Valley Civilization and its language.
As the ancient Persian Emperors had conquered many territories and had a glorious history, many races and nations started calling themselves as Aryan like the Iranians. The words, Arya and Aryan, are of Persian origin, but the Brahmins wrongly call them words of Sanskrit origin. The Brahmins arrogantly believe that all the knowledge had come from their community and all the languages of the world had been derived from Sanskrit. So the dogmatic Brahmins insist that Arya and Aryan are words of Sanskrit origin.
There were many migrations of the Aryans from Iran to other countries in ancient times. The Aryans had migrated from Iran to other countries during the expansion of the Persian Empire through many conquests by its armies. Many Aryans were also forced to flee in large numbers from Iran to other countries after the destruction of the Persian Empire by the Greek armies under the command of Alexander.
The Greek conqueror also made his troops burn down the libraries of the former Persian Empire, destroying all their valuable books. With the destruction of those books, Alexander could have also destroyed the references to the Sindhu Valley Civilization and its language, which might have been given in the books of the Persian Empire that included the territories of the Sindhu Valley.
With the destruction of the Persian Empire, it seems that the Iranians had also lost their claim of being called as the founders of the Aryan culture and civilization. Strangely, that also made the cunning Brahmins of ancient India to grab the golden opportunity for claiming that they were the founders of the Aryan culture and civilization! That is one of the reasons why the bigoted Brahmins have been predating their Vedas and other ancient books.
The ancient Aryans of Iran were Zoroastrians who did not believe in polytheism or the worship of many Gods and Goddesses. The Brahmins do not want to even mention anything about their racial and spiritual connections with the Aryans of ancient Iran. For that reason, the Brahmins of India should actually not be considered as Aryans.
Vedas, Upanishads, Vedangs,
Puraans are Plagiarized Works
The Brahmins publish many books and magazines, even on the internet, which are meant to serve the interests of ONLY their own caste. The Brahmins cannot have the sole right to publish their own views and still object to the other castes making their views known. The bigots among the Brahmins still wrongly believe that they have a monopoly over all the knowledge and information concerning all the Hindus.
Why should the Brahmins have a monopoly over information when they are known to distort facts and falsify History on a massive scale? Even the Vedas, Upanishads, Vedangs and Puraans are highly plagiarized books that have collections or compilations of knowledge, which have been copied from the writings of Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, Shudras, Buddhists, Dravidians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Chinese, Jews, Christians, Babylonians, Mesopotamians, etc, without the writers of Vedas acknowledging all the original sources.
To avoid the charge of plagiarization, the Brahmins have just resorted to the device of predating the Vedas and other ancient books. They insist that their books are more than 5000, 10000 or even millions of years old! However, they never care to show such ancient books in their physical form. They insist that such books were lost, but their contents were kept alive through oral traditions. The dogmatic Brahmins even give the excuse that Sanskrit was the Eternal Language spoken by the Hindu Gods and Goddesses, who have always been in existence in their different incarnations for millions and millions of years. So the Brahmins also want Hinduism to be called Sanatana Dharma or the Eternal Religion that has no beginning and no end.
The credit for the knowledge in the Vedas, Upanishads, Vedangs, and Puraans is given mainly to a few Rishis, Munis or the Brahmins who compiled the ancient books. The credit is not given to the thousands of original authors, scientists and mathematicians from the other castes, like the Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras of India, or from the different races and communities of other parts of the world. Can all the knowledge of the Vedas, Upanishads, Vedangs and Puraans be a monopoly of any single caste like that of the Brahmins?
The worst victims of plagiarization by the Vedic writers were the Buddhist scholars, philosophers, mathematicians, medical scientists, astronomers, discoverers and other scientists. The Vedic Brahmins had cheated the Buddhist intellectuals on a massive scale in the world's largest and most glaring fraud of plagiarism. Practically, all the literary and scientific works of the ancient Buddhist intellectuals were misappropriated by the Vedic Brahmins.
We should know that the numeral 'zero' was invented during the Buddhist rule in India. It seems that even the study and practice of Yoga was turned into a Science by the ancient Buddhists. Many of the ancient statues of Buddha show him meditating in yogic poses. The Science of Yoga could have been developed in the ancient Buddhist universities of India, which taught their students how to meditate.
The Buddhist scholars, philosophers, mathematicians and scientists were the greatest intellectuals of ancient India because the Buddhist Universities of that period were the best in the world. Students from all over the world had been coming to India to learn in the Buddhist universities.
Spiritually and intellectually, Buddhism was the greatest religion of ancient times, due to which it spread to many countries of Asia. But because of the belief of Buddhists in non-violence, the Buddhist kings got defeated in the wars imposed by the extremely violent foreign invaders, who finally succeeded in destroying the benign rule of Buddhists in India. The most glorious period of the Buddhist Civilization was also thus brought to an end in India.
It is not surprising that one of the greatest thinkers of modern India and the world, Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar, the Father of the Indian Constitution, became a Buddhist during the last part of his life. Following the example of Dr. Ambedkar, millions of low-caste Hindus have become new converts to the great religion of Buddhism. As Buddhism does not believe in the caste system, the new converts have found an easy way to escape from the evils of the caste system.
The plagiarism by the Brahmins had gone unnoticed for many centuries because the Brahmins had written their books in Sanskrit, which is a language that the common Indians and foreigners had found very difficult to learn in a short time. Only the idle and parasitic Brahmins could easily spare a lot of time to learn that language. The use of Sanskrit was a very suitable means for the Brahmins to keep their act of massive plagiarism a secret for such a long period.
We must also know that literally the word "Veda" can mean a "collection of knowledge" or "compilation of information." In practice, a Veda can mean a "book of knowledge." It is not necessary for the Vedas to be any sacred or divine books, which many Brahmins falsely claim. As knowledge can be good or evil, holy or unholy, the Vedas too contain some literary works that are good and also some other works that are evil. The Vedas contain prayers and praises to Gods and Goddesses, but they also contain curses and threats.
Using the knowledge in the Vedas, the Brahmins can preach and practise discrimination based on the extremely evil caste system, untouchability, etc. The Brahmins are just trying to flatter their own caste, when they describe the Vedas as holy or divine books. It is the word "Divya" which means "Divine" in English. The Vedas were never named as Divya Veda, which can mean Divine Knowledge or Divine Books.
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From: Ram B Chherti
Date: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:05 AM
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From: Ram B Chherti
Date: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:05 AM
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Languages should develop along with the passage of time and requirements;hence they must be dynamic. At best it is a controversial issue.
Sanskrit ,as per the scholars,originated in India-Bharatbarsha. But the Indians take great pride in ignoring their own languages and speak English,although in their own heavily accented forms. Look at their film actors. They have become stinking rich by acting in Hindi films but show ignorance of Hindi when asked by reporters.Almost all the Cabinet Ministers speak in English.
There are far more important issues facing the nation and the world in general rather than language controversy.No offence intended.
Sanskrit ,as per the scholars,originated in India-Bharatbarsha. But the Indians take great pride in ignoring their own languages and speak English,although in their own heavily accented forms. Look at their film actors. They have become stinking rich by acting in Hindi films but show ignorance of Hindi when asked by reporters.Almost all the Cabinet Ministers speak in English.
There are far more important issues facing the nation and the world in general rather than language controversy.No offence intended.
R B Chhetri
Virginia, USA
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From: Mukund Apte
Date: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:58 AM
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From: Mukund Apte
Date: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: SANSKRIT NOT A PERFECT LANGUAGE AND VEDAS PLAGIARIZED WORKS
To: The Himalayan Voice <himalayanvoice@gmail.com>
While talking about any subject in any language, unless both conversees are from the same environment and with similar experiences, they will have different concepts of meanings of one word in the SAME language. This is expected. Words are not like a luggage that you know and recognize when you get or see/hear it. Every word in any language will have different meanings in each individuals minds if they are from differing environmens. In case your conversing colleagues says, "गाय" , in case you are from Asia, you will conceive the word as referring to a 4-legged domestic cattle, whereas a Westerner will take is as an endearing term addressed to an unaquainted person. It does not mean the language is imperfect. Every word in any language has meaning for a person as HE IS aware about. No word in any language has universally same meaning.
Please remember that Nature has a special way by which it can send messages to the minds of all living entities, especially in case of natural (impending) disasters (like Tsunami). As during Dec 2004 tsunami around Indian Ocean peripheral states, the (so-called) educated and 'developed' human were killed to the tune of more than one and half Lakhs. But out of lower species of beasts and birds as well as 'uncivilized and jungle-residing' Jarwas of Andamaan islands hardly anyone was even injured. What was the language of the message that Nature sent to these minds that they could follow and save themselves, whereas 'Developed' humans could not (and therefore perished)? Can we call that language perfect?
The experiences of the words that the conversing individuals have obtained decide, if the transacted words are being able to convey correct meaning to both sides. The language is merely a medium.
As far as Sanskrit is concerned, kindly note that it is well bound and evolved language. It happened to be the single language in Bhaarat till about a thousand years ago. Around the start of the AD कालगणना, it was properly bound by the rules and Grammer by महर्षि पाणिनी in his अष्टाध्यायी.
It is a language as perfect as one can be. Kindly note that on most of the books in Sanskrit has भाष्य or clarifying explanations (as they understood) written by subsequent पंडित (for common people like us) for understanding the 'inner meaning/s' of the book intended by the (initial) महर्षि who created it.
If someone says the Vedas are 'plagiarised' work, he needs his brain examined. The Vedas are known to be the EARLIEST literature. From where they could have been plagiarized? Possibly from other minds, isn't it? That is of course possible. But it must be the minds of Bhaarateey people only, isn't it? This appears to be an effort by some foreigners who do not want to give Bhaarat its due credit of giving Vedas to the World.
Regards
Mukund Apte
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From: Venkatakrishna Sastry
Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:34 AM
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1. There can not be any argument where the debater has a preconfigured conclusion, as in this article. Much of the argument (if not 99%) is based on data-fallacies and imagination of 'dogs for cats .
The post here is ad-nauseous repetition of incorrect facts and regurgitation of false propaganda.
2. The author of this article /post clearly shows : Colonial mind set, Colonial training on Society-frames and historicity issues, Non-traditional exposure to Sanskrit, Tremedous amount of misunderstanding of Dharmic traditions based on bad translations and prejudiced writing.
3. What if all the things said here are true ? Some basic question still needs to be answered:
- Give at least another perfect /near perfect language which can stand by Samskrutham.
- Reg: Sanskrit is a language that had not developed naturally / Sanskrit is meant to Confuse People ; Is English a naturally developed language ? What is natural development ? Related to nature as it is OR it is a continuing dynamic decay yielding fissure and breaking away from past ? How many english speakers can understand and read Chaucer or Shakespeare today with the same fluency as of the erst while period ?
- Reg: If all the languages were derived from Sanskrit, as many of the Brahmins wrongly claim, why is it not possible to decipher the script of the Sindhu Valley Civilization? Why are there no references in Sanskrit books, which can help in reading the inscriptions of the Sindhu Valley Civilization? Very Simple, Sir, the current scholarship of Sanskrit from colonial tradition has destroyed many a valuable resoruces needed for this decoding; Research is needed. Can any one start retracing studies of IVC from a frame out of the 'Aryan -Dravidian historicity' and take it back to the 'Society of Veda -yoga practitioners' You will find all the answers you are seeking. When thousand crows make for the audience, the song of cuckoo will end up as noise.
The motive of author seems to be to divide Hindu society and act as an agent to benefit non-Hindus who are eying on "direct opportunity" !!!
Why should The Himalayan Voice publish such articles ?
Rajesh Patil
(Editor's note: The Himalayan Voice does promote healthful debates on issues related to the Himalayan region and beyond. It does also offer platform to those who are unheard not being able in finding an outlet to tell at the national spectrum. You may check check this video for your reference as well.)
From: Venkatakrishna Sastry
Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: SANSKRIT NOT A PERFECT LANGUAGE AND VEDAS PLAGIARIZED WORKS
To: The Himalayan Voice ;himalayanvoice@gmail.com;
1. There can not be any argument where the debater has a preconfigured conclusion, as in this article. Much of the argument (if not 99%) is based on data-fallacies and imagination of 'dogs for cats .
The post here is ad-nauseous repetition of incorrect facts and regurgitation of false propaganda.
2. The author of this article /post clearly shows : Colonial mind set, Colonial training on Society-frames and historicity issues, Non-traditional exposure to Sanskrit, Tremedous amount of misunderstanding of Dharmic traditions based on bad translations and prejudiced writing.
3. What if all the things said here are true ? Some basic question still needs to be answered:
- Give at least another perfect /near perfect language which can stand by Samskrutham.
- Reg: Sanskrit is a language that had not developed naturally / Sanskrit is meant to Confuse People ; Is English a naturally developed language ? What is natural development ? Related to nature as it is OR it is a continuing dynamic decay yielding fissure and breaking away from past ? How many english speakers can understand and read Chaucer or Shakespeare today with the same fluency as of the erst while period ?
- Reg: If all the languages were derived from Sanskrit, as many of the Brahmins wrongly claim, why is it not possible to decipher the script of the Sindhu Valley Civilization? Why are there no references in Sanskrit books, which can help in reading the inscriptions of the Sindhu Valley Civilization? Very Simple, Sir, the current scholarship of Sanskrit from colonial tradition has destroyed many a valuable resoruces needed for this decoding; Research is needed. Can any one start retracing studies of IVC from a frame out of the 'Aryan -Dravidian historicity' and take it back to the 'Society of Veda -yoga practitioners' You will find all the answers you are seeking. When thousand crows make for the audience, the song of cuckoo will end up as noise.
- Reg: Vedas, Upanishads, Vedangs,Puraans are Plagiarized Works! You certainly need a level 101 lesson on the fundamentals of the tradition Or a Full fledged research study. Half baked knowledge with prejudice will not help you to understand the value of the Vedas.
- Reg: It is not surprising that one of the greatest thinkers of modern India and the world, Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar, the Father of the Indian Constitution, became a Buddhist during the last part of his life. If what Dr.Ambedkar said was followed truely tribe of your type would not have been writing this non-sense. In the given stage, neither you have the true Buddha - Dharma or Veda-Dharma.
- Reg: It is the word "Divya" which means "Divine" in English. The Vedas were never named as Divya Veda, which can mean Divine Knowledge or Divine Books. ; Amen, May God of your choice bless you and help you to improve your linguistics.
- Reg: It is not surprising that one of the greatest thinkers of modern India and the world, Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar, the Father of the Indian Constitution, became a Buddhist during the last part of his life. If what Dr.Ambedkar said was followed truely tribe of your type would not have been writing this non-sense. In the given stage, neither you have the true Buddha - Dharma or Veda-Dharma.
- Reg: It is the word "Divya" which means "Divine" in English. The Vedas were never named as Divya Veda, which can mean Divine Knowledge or Divine Books. ; Amen, May God of your choice bless you and help you to improve your linguistics.
Regards
Dr. B V Venkatakrishna Sastry
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From: Rajesh Patil
Date: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:51 AM
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This is totally Absurd !!!
From: Rajesh Patil
Date: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: SANSKRIT NOT A PERFECT LANGUAGE AND VEDAS PLAGIARIZED WORKS
To: The Himalayan Voice <himalayanvoice@gmail.com>
This is totally Absurd !!!
Which TWO people are referred here ? I haven't seen any two Sankrit speaking people arguing over the "Language" part. They may discuss over the "Philosophy" or "Vedas" etc but not over the correctness of language !!
The motive of author seems to be to divide Hindu society and act as an agent to benefit non-Hindus who are eying on "direct opportunity" !!!
Why should The Himalayan Voice publish such articles ?
Rajesh Patil
(Editor's note: The Himalayan Voice does promote healthful debates on issues related to the Himalayan region and beyond. It does also offer platform to those who are unheard not being able in finding an outlet to tell at the national spectrum. You may check check this video for your reference as well.)
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Date: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:59 PM
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From: Ashok T. Jaisinghani <ashokjai@sancharnet.in>
Date: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: SANSKRIT NOT A PERFECT LANGUAGE AND VEDAS PLAGIARIZED WORKS
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Cc: Mukund Apte <mdapte@gmail.com>, Rajesh Patil <patilrama@gmail.com>, Palash Biswas <palashbiswaskl@gmail.com>, Dr Rajiv Arora MD - Sanatan Dharma <hindureligion@gmail.com>, "Mihir Meghani (HAF)" <mihir@hafsite.org>, Ishani Chowdhury - Hindu American Foundation <ishani@hafsite.org>, Gautam Sen <gautam.sen@gmail.com>, Ramesh Rao <ramesh@hafsite.org>, shrinivas.tilak@gmail.com
Let me state that all human beings and their works are imperfect. The Brahmins and their works cannot be exceptions. So, even Sanskrit and the Vedas cannot be perfect. Anybody who thinks he or his work is absolutely perfect needs to get his head examined.
Mukund Apte, Venkatakrishna Sastry and Rajesh Patil can read what some of the renowned Sanskrit scholars of the United Hindu Front had said about the Sanskrit words, aatma and AATMAA, in their discussions about 3 years back.
Mukund Apte and Rajesh Patil know the names of Ravi Bakhshi, Ramesh Jhalla, Rabinder Koul and Anil Bhanot, who were having endless discussions on the subject till I pointed out the difference between the two Sanskrit words.
Thak you,
Ashok T. Jaisinghani.
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